9/11 Family Members Defend 9/11 Anti-Mosque Rally

This is a shame. These 9/11 families have become hypocrites. For years they rightly condemned the politicization of 9/11. Now they are doing it. Worse yet, they are also confusing “justice” for their lost loved ones with stopping a house of worship from being built. That is confused and wrong and speaks of bigotry and intolerance. How far does the zone of their “affronted sensibilities extend from Ground Zero?” Two blocks? What about the mosque four blocks away? What about the porno places a couple blocks away? Their pain is not an excuse for intolerance against an entire religion and culture. It is monstrous for them to equate all Sunni Muslims with Al Queda or the murders of 9/11. But that is implicit in their actions.

Your comment is not fair at all. Fighting to prevent a mosque being built 600 feet from Ground Zero, in an area where your wife’s or your son’s or your sister’s ashes scattered with the wind when they were incinerated, is not “politicizing” your cause.
If my friend has breast cancer and I race for the cure, is that politicizing it? If I fight against a power plant near my home, is that politicizing it?
Shut up with your stupid talking points about “bigotry” and “intolerance”.
71% of New York City residents are not bigoted or intolerant.

You lost the fight on this thing by coming out swinging with “racist” and “bigot” and all that crap. Whatever sympathy your “cause” might have engendered was lost by that aggressive arrogance.

Grieving people are not “monstrous” just because they disagree with you. Grieving people are not “confused” just because they disagree with you either.

As a woman and a feminist I am “intolerant” of a culture that oppresses and degrades women. No self respecting woman should tolerate abuse in the name of “religion”. So there.
If you can tell me where, among Sunni Muslim dominated cultures, women have equal rights, please do so. But you can’t- it doesn’t exist- so STFU and don’t lecture this American woman about “rights” in defense of a culture that would suppress mine.

What the Hell are you talking about Roger? The power plant and the race for the cure were in separate sentences and were clearly separate examples.

My reply does not indicate that practicing Islam is directly related to being a terrorist any more than your reply indicates you’ve been drinking again.

And the woman’s movement does not stand for anything? How about equal rights for women? Or is that NOTHING?

Your pig headed defense of a culture that oppresses women even as you criticize the women’s movement is typical of a progressive male hypocrite. You’ll stand for any “oppressed” minority, no matter how indefensible their cause, as long as they’re not female.

THAT, Roger, is simply wrong and hateful.

Really…. Woman universally support woman’s rights?? Umm, no. Pro-Choice, anti-choice. Pro-war, anti-war. Equal pay? No. There is a small group of vocal liberal women who speak for a small group of liberal woman.

No legislative women’s caucus can take a position, because women have no consensus positions, let alone unanimity. Oh stop with the piety. Tell me one issue that a majority of women agree with you on the issues that are most important to you. And to me. I don’t defend the culture. I oppose the culture.

Your movement is simply a failure, and has been since it helped tear apart the civil rights movement. These are not women’s issues. They are not gay issues. They are not black issues.

They are civil rights issues, and until it is accepted and joined as such, it is as dead as it was the year Bobby and Martin were murdered.

AS far as the nuclear powerplant vis a vis cancer – OPPOSING IT, PROTESTING IT IS POLITICIZATION OF THE ISSUE. What the Hell else would you call it??????

My heart goes out to the families of those who lost loved ones 9 years ago. But where are the protests to rebuild our great nation, and this chasm that brought death and pain to so many — pain that lives today.

Fomenting more hate will not make things better. And, like the Dred Scott decision, a large majority of people can be wrong.

Rog — We’re just going to have to agree to disagree about the mosque. You, Mike and I have argued this topic MANY times. Rather than rehash a topic that we’ll never see eye to eye about, I want to watch a DVD.

I AM a little shocked at the vitriol you’ve unleashed against the women’s movement, including blaming feminists for some perceived failure of the civil rights movement. What you’re really saying is that women should take a back seat to black men politically in the Democrat Party. That kind of attitude is why Hillary got screwed out of the nomination in 2008.

I’m not taking a back seat to ANY man, white or black. It’s the same old sh*t from where I sit. It really doesn’t matter if you dislike feminists. We don’t need your approval and we sure as hell aren’t asking your permission to plow ahead as we see fit.

I’m just deeply bothered by what the progressive have become. Why we fail. Why Glenn Beck, the ignorant money-grubbing can run circles around us.

The answer is simple. We are so divided. They take advantage of that and continue to win.

And it wasn’t the women’s movement alone that led to the demise of civil rights movement. It was each identifiable group, putting their own agenda above the common cause.

Why do people believe that American women have more rights than American Muslims? Don’t we all cherish the same constitution? “We”, of course being those who don’t become millionaires by spitting on that constitution.

Roger you’re talking circles and making no sense whatsoever. Hang it up.
The women’s movement STANDS for the outrageous thought that women are equal to men.
And I, as a free woman, am not required to, I’d be foolish to, respect a culture that oppresses it’s women. I have no “respect” for Islamic societies. I would be dead already in an Islamic society.
I can’t be bothered with the rest of your stuff. You’re making no sense.

I’m firmly with the women here. Just like Catholicism as preached by the Vatican, just like Othodox Judaism, just like Mormomism, and just like the more right-wing Protestant denominations, Islam, except as practiced by the most open, tiny minority of sects and the Ba’hais, degrades, objectifies and relegates women to a lower status than men. That is irrefutable.

As far as the “division” within the so-called “Progressive” community, that is because people who fancy themselves as liberals or Progressives are by nature, more diverse in their opinions than those who march in lockstep with a particular ironclad, doctrinaire set of immutable principles, such as those right of center espouse, at least in theory. The intolerance on the left that this debate has exposed confirms to me that practice greatly diverges from theory and that the shrillness and arrogance of the pro-Mosque position exposes them as the exact mirror image of the Glenn Becks and other demons of the far right.

I don’t think you are a survivor of someone who died that day. It’s one thing for the small minority of those who support the mosque to say so when asked, quite another to write letters to political blogs supporting the Imam with your free time.

1. I am aware he is of the Sufi sect. It is “better” than the more extreme sects but not good enough regarding women. Regardless, that is not many people’s objection, nor is it mine.

2. I am capable of discerning fact from fiction and I don’t get my information from right wing web sites, nor am I being manipulated by a right wing political operation.

3. The fault in my opinion lies with the left wing. If they had not been so self righteous and insulting in the earliest days with their “racist/bigot/islamophobic” bullshit, reasonable people might not have risen up and said “HELL NO”.

But that’s where we are now.

One other thing – that Imam’s wife is obnoxious. She bristles with hostility even as she mouthes empty platitudes.